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From: Steve Manning <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 makefile bugs
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:39:39 -0600
Message-ID: <38985dd5$0$[e-mail]>
Organization: ExecPC Internet - Milwaukee, WI
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[e-mail] wrote:

>
>On 2000-01-31 [e-mail](FrankdaCruz) said:
>
>FD> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
>FD> In article <3896190b$0$[e-mail]>,
>
>FD> Steve Manning  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>FD> : I found a number of inconsitancies in the makefile provided with
>FD> : the Unix distribution of C-Kermit 7.0.  Most appear to derive
>FD> : from an incomplete renaming of the sections of the file dealing
>FD> : with SCO OpenServer 5.0.0, along with a missing back-slash in the
>FD> : sco32v504netgccel section.
>
>FD> : I'm appending a diff.
>
>FD> Thanks.  We caught most of these ourselves when making binaries
>FD> after the release announcement.
>
>If this is what happened then it begs the question of just what were
>you using the source code for BEFORE you did the release?  Screen
>savers perhaps?

Cripes... I forgot there were trolls lurking.

Sir, the attitude you flaunt so blatantly does absolutely no service
that I can see to the Kermit community in general.

Or perhaps I should say that it does the same service as jackals
perform for the antelope herd.  I for one don't want any culling done
here.

Your points can be made without being hostile and adversarial.  I'm
sure you feel you have adequate reason to adopt such an attitude.
Fine, but *I* don't share your pain, nor should I have to see it
splattered all over the newsgroup.  Plus, I highly resent having the
spirit of my posting turned around as you attempted to do.

I *almost* felt regret that I'd posted something in a helpful spirit
only to have it turned against the folks who I'd been trying to help,
until I made myself focus on where the problem actually lay.

Far from being productive, your tirades tend to drive people away -
from your points, and from the newsgroup in general I fear.  If I were
a new viewer of this group, I'd be concerned about the S/N ratio and
given the huge volumes of "data" in newsgroups these days, I might opt
to not participate in this one.

Or were I someone with a lot more knowledge about the inner working of
the kermit family of programs, I'd be a lot more inclined to just keep
my comments to myself and avoid the almost inevitable churn that would
follow.

I hope that the developers don't view it a dis-incentive to keep this
group up to date on technical issues either.

As far as this bug goes... it happens.  It was (I'd wager) probably a
last-minute stylistic cleanup on the makefile that came after the file
had gone through QC.  Is it right that it happened?  No, and I'm sure
that the developers would say the same thing.  But is it the end of
western civilization as we know it?  Well, I hope not anyway...

I don't post this in hope that you'll change your attitude.  I have
little hope of that.  I guess I just want to do two things: let the
folks at Columbia know that there are those of us out here who *want*
to be helpful, and affirm to the lurkers out there (which I usually am
too) that you are the exception.  And a candidate for consideration to
be included in their Killfile.

I'm done responding on this, for *I* have much more productive things
to do as well.  But feel free to fire away... not that you need any
encouragement.


Steve Manning
Systems Administrator
Mega Marts Inc.
Milwaukee, WI  USA
[e-mail]